In this episode of the Leading Below the Surface podcast, host LaTonya Wilkins welcomes somatic coach Jonathan Gutierrez to explore the transformative power of somatics in personal and professional development. Together, they discuss how body awareness can enhance emotional intelligence, improve interpersonal relationships, and foster healthier communities. Jonathan shares valuable insights on interoception, visualization techniques, and the importance of self-reflection in combating negativity bias. Tune in to learn practical strategies for integrating somatic practices into your coaching, leadership, and everyday life to navigate the challenges of today’s changing workplace.
Jonathan Faxas Gutierrez (he/him) is a somatic life coach, meditator, and flow enthusiast dedicated to helping individuals rediscover vibrancy and joy in their lives. Trained at the Mindfulness Coaching School, Jonathan’s journey into the helping field began over seven years ago in a transformative men’s group that inspired him to create and lead his own, fostering spaces for vulnerability and connection. With a focus on inclusivity, Jonathan’s practice supports clients across the gender and queer spectrum, offering guidance for those feeling stuck, disconnected, or seeking growth in mindfulness and meditation. Known for his deep presence, compassion, and curiosity, Jonathan creates a supportive environment for clarity, growth, and ease.
Quotes:
Jonathan: – Learning to listen gives you your compass towards what feels like good community.
Context: Jonathan highlights the significance of self-listening as a guiding principle in finding and nurturing healthy community connections.
LaTonya: – It’s almost like when we do our workshop, like if we exude that the whole time and we’re not reacting, then we get that effect from other people.
Context: LaTonya reflects on the impact of maintaining a calm demeanor during workshops, suggesting that it encourages similar responses from participants.
Resources from today’s episode:
– You can learn more about Jonathan at his website: https://www.jfgcoaching.co/
– Learn more about the Change Coaches Coaching Sprint here or email [email protected]
Transcript:
**00:00:00** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Exciting news! The Leading Below the Surface podcast is now available on YouTube. You can stream your favorite episodes on your smartphone or watch them in video format. Visit our Change Coaches YouTube page to subscribe and not miss an episode. If you want to close the year strong, our Change Coaches offerings include retreat facilitation and leadership accelerators. Check out Changecoaches IE for more information or email us at [email protected] to find out how we can support you and your organization in 2024 and beyond.
**00:00:52** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Welcome to the Leading Below the Surface podcast, where we explore how to navigate and thrive in today’s changing workplace. I’m LaTonya Wilkins, your host, founder and CEO of Change Coaches, and author of Leading Below the Surface. I’m excited to welcome our guest today, Jonathan Gutierrez.
**00:01:23** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Jonathan is one of our coaches at Change Coaches. We’ve spent extended time together serving clients and delivered a week-long workshop. I know his favorite snacks and schedules. He knows a lot about bats, which surprised me at first.
**00:01:50** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Jonathan is a spiritual person and very calm, which impressed me given his knowledge about bats. I’m excited to discuss Somatics with him. As we record this in late December 2024, people are starting to think about next year. We hope to provide practices to prepare for 2025. If you’re listening later, this will serve as a primer on somatic coaching, whether you’re a coach, curious about it, or interested in mindfulness and well-being. Jonathan, what did I miss?
**00:02:35** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Oh wow. That was pretty good. I’m glad you remembered the bats. That was fun.
**00:02:44** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Would you care to tell that story? I think it’s a very interesting place to start and relevant to our discussion today.
**00:02:52** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** So wait, the story of us in the bats and Cape Cod or the story of me in the bat? Both.
**00:02:57** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yeah. How did you know that was a bat?
**00:03:04** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I’ll give some background. We did a week-long retreat in Cape Cod, which went really well. It was the first time we met LaTonya, and we both noted we were shorter than we thought. They had us at an Airbnb in a marsh with bats flying around, diving for insects.
**00:03:26** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I knew they were bats because I live in Tucson, Arizona, where we have bats. I visited hot springs a couple of hours outside Tucson, where bats live in an old barn. Every day at sunset, the bats swarm out, creating a beautiful experience. If you’re brave, you can sit in the barn as they do this.
**00:03:51** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** A few friends and I sat in the barn, and the bats swirled around us before flying out as the sun set. That’s how I know about bats.
**00:04:03** – **LaTonya Wilkins** You explained that perfectly. Do you mind if I mention your spiritual experience with bats?
**00:04:12** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Go ahead.
**00:04:14** – **LaTonya Wilkins** You were in a cave, and you let them fly at you. You stood there and felt it was spiritual. I would have probably run out. What helped you stay there, and why did you find it spiritual?
**00:04:34** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I think the practice of somatics and meditation helped. I’ve been meditating since I was 11 or 12 years old. Through that practice, I learned to stay calm and grounded, which allows me to be with experiences without reacting strongly.
**00:05:03** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Developing that capacity makes life more interesting. When bats fly around, I can feel the experience without getting overwhelmed. It becomes a spiritual experience, feeling the presence of these living creatures around me.
**00:05:34** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Spiritual.
**00:05:35** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I need to work on that. I was recently in Costa Rica and saw sloths, which I found very calming. They also showed us spiders, and I want to work on my fear of them. Maybe my goal for 2025 is to handle exposure better.
**00:06:00** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Maybe it’s even somatics.
**00:06:02** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yes.
**00:06:03** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Certain things still scare me, like how spiders look. I love hiking and camping, but having them fly around me is still challenging. Let’s all work towards overcoming that fear. For those afraid of spiders, I understand. I’m going to work on it too, as Jonathan suggested.
**00:06:31** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I met you at the mindfulness coaching school, where I first learned about mindfulness and somatics. We also did EMDR, which was interesting.
**00:06:55** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I took an EMDR class. What are somatics, and are they only for certain people? I’m interested in your experience with somatics and the types of people who usually engage with them.
**00:07:20** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Somatics are not just for specific types of people. It’s a complex topic, but we won’t delve into that now.
**00:07:37** – **LaTonya Wilkins** That’s a whole other podcast. I could discuss that extensively.
**00:07:42** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Somatics comes from the Greek word soma, which means body. The somatic approach focuses on becoming aware of what is happening in the body. Interoception refers to the ability to feel and sense inside the body. We have nerve endings and pathways throughout our body that we can activate with practice.
**00:08:11** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** For example, I can ask myself what my heart feels right now. When I see a spider on the wall, I can pause and feel inward. How does my body respond? Is my heart beating faster? Is my stomach tight? Am I getting sweaty? Noticing these bodily responses can teach us a lot, and that’s a quick definition of somatic work.
**00:08:59** – **LaTonya Wilkins** It sounds like somatics applies to everyday life, not just to those exploring New Age concepts. I read studies indicating that somatic experiences or traumatic experiences can be stored in the body. I enjoy the work of Young Pooyloow, especially his book “The Way Forward.” He discusses being around people who affect our nervous system. Would that also be an example of somatics? How would you advise people to approach that?
**00:09:50** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** The human body and experience are relational. We are social creatures, and while our physical body ends at our skin, we impact each other beyond that.
**00:10:13** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** We affect each other. When a mom holds a baby and remains calm, the baby calms down. This relational energy works over Zoom as well. My calm nervous system helps relax my clients, and we become who we are around.
**00:10:33** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This is part of somatics because our bodies and nervous systems react to external stimuli. My work as a somatic coach involves becoming aware of how your body reacts to the world and how the world reacts to your body and experience. This information can influence and change how we live our lives.
**00:11:04** – **LaTonya Wilkins** It’s interesting that we respond to others. There’s an ideology around highly sensitive people. I tend to go to bed early and avoid large crowds. I get stressed at concerts and often leave early to avoid the rush because I feel sensitive. How would you respond to that?
**00:11:41** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I wish everyone in my life would respond like I do and help create calm situations. What would you say to those who don’t experience that? I appreciate the example with the baby, but in romantic relationships or friendships, one person may be calm while the other is not. Is it that they are unable to respond?
**00:12:19** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** That’s a good question. It depends on the person and the relationship. We have the most control over ourselves and our experiences. Staying in tune with your own experience in a centered way and being authentic and taking care of yourself does ripple out, even if it’s not immediately obvious.
**00:13:03** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** If you are good at that practice, it will ripple out to your partner. If you go to bed at this time and it matters to you, it will impact the people in your house. The more you can stay with that, the better. It is hard.
**00:13:26** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Our country and the world move at a fast pace that is chaotic and leads to anxiety. It takes work, commitment, and daily small practices to keep yourself centered.
**00:13:53** – **LaTonya Wilkins** When you say that, I hear you. It’s like in our workshop; if we exude calmness and do not react, we get that effect from others. We’ve heard that when we show patience, others can be patient with us. Being intentional about relationships and responses is important.
**00:14:24** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I’m a research nerd, and there aren’t many studies on somatics. I use them wisely in my coaching because not everyone is patient. People are often more interested in visualizations.
**00:14:46** – **LaTonya Wilkins** This leads to my next question. How can somatics provide more clarity? People are considering visualization and mindfulness as tactics for the new year. What is the relationship between those two?
**00:15:16** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Visualization is a powerful tool, and I like to link it with somatics. This is what comes to mind for me to answer, especially for the new year.
**00:15:34** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I just did a workshop for the holiday season right before this call. It focused on finding more ease and intention over the holidays. I had everyone close their eyes and visualize themselves at the holidays with their family. I asked them to put themselves in that room, smelling the scents and seeing the lights. Once they were there, I asked how their bodies felt.
**00:16:09** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** One participant noted that their shoulders went up because their mom frustrated them. They felt tightness in their chest and throat. When this happens, they tend to respond rudely to their mom. I encouraged them to visualize taking care of themselves by leaving the interaction, going to their room, and taking a few deep breaths.
**00:16:44** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I asked them to connect back to their intention of being loving towards their mom. They noticed their shoulders relaxed and their breathing slowed, helping them feel more grounded.
**00:16:59** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** They mentioned they would lay down for five minutes before going back out.
**00:17:03** – **LaTonya Wilkins** The part that really stuck with me is that many people can relate to having difficult family members. Imagining being in that situation and being successful is significant.
**00:17:25** – **LaTonya Wilkins** What is the somatic part of that, and what is its significance?
**00:17:32** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** The somatic part involves noticing how your body responds to the situation. Many people experience physical reactions like raised shoulders, tight chests, sweating, and feelings of anxiety, which often manifest as jitteriness. However, they may not be aware of these responses as they occur below conscious awareness. The somatic piece is about becoming aware of how your body reacts.
**00:18:03** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Most people aren’t aware of their body’s responses. We often focus on our thoughts, like feeling annoyed, but our bodies also feel that annoyance. The somatic piece involves recognizing this connection. When you become aware, it serves as an early warning sign; for example, you might start sweating or notice your shoulders tense up.
**00:18:29** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Once you recognize these signs and practice awareness, you can notice changes in your body, like your shoulders tensing up, and then take care of yourself.
**00:18:42** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yes, it’s about awareness.
**00:18:46** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Exactly. The somatic piece builds awareness of how your body responds to situations. Once you recognize your body’s response, you can determine what it needs for care.
**00:19:01** – **LaTonya Wilkins** That’s interesting. We’re going to discuss some exercises, so stay tuned. You spend a lot of time coaching. How does this apply to the business world?
**00:19:23** – **LaTonya Wilkins** For instance, consider a leader who wants to create a better or more productive team, or a leader who is afraid to deliver critical feedback. How can they use somatics to navigate this?
**00:19:53** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** That’s a great example. A leader afraid to give critical feedback faces a challenge that seems simple yet is difficult to execute.
**00:20:08** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This is why coaching is valuable; it’s hard to do alone. To keep it simple for the podcast audience, we can use visualization. Let’s take a few deep breaths together. Visualize yourself sitting across from the person to whom you will give critical feedback.
**00:20:37** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** In that moment, scan your body and see what’s alive in you. You may feel fear, which often causes you to huddle forward, tighten your chest, or quiet your voice. Recognize this and consider how to meet it in a healthier way. Accept that it’s going to happen and open up.
**00:21:10** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Assume a positive posture. When we practice in an embodied and self-compassionate way, we can learn why we have this pattern. Your body can teach you where this is coming from.
**00:21:30** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Identify the protective mechanism that causes you to lean forward. You can practice visualization in different situations. When the moment comes and you’re leading a meeting, you’ll be ready and open, with a good posture.
**00:21:54** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I’ve practiced feeling this fear and know how to meet it.
**00:22:05** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Knowing what that feels like is important. What does it feel like after you do it? I’m curious about the questions that arise.
**00:22:21** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** You can learn from the experience by fully feeling it. Once you learn from that, you can change the pattern.
**00:22:35** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Before we move to exercises, how can we address the concern about community? It’s a priority for many people. This year, community is a key focus for me and will continue to be important due to technology’s impact. While we use AI frequently, it often leads to isolation and loneliness. Community is essential.
**00:23:20** – **LaTonya Wilkins** How can we use social systems to create healthier and more connected communities?
**00:23:29** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** What a good question.
**00:23:32** – **LaTonya Wilkins** It’s a hard one.
**00:23:34** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Hard, right?
**00:23:38** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I know you don’t have all the answers, so we can just talk about it. This is a fantastic practice.
**00:23:48** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** What comes to mind is what it feels like to be in a good community. I think of a sense of belonging and connection. What does it feel like when that’s not there? It feels like isolation and spinning your own thoughts without bouncing off others.
**00:24:18** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Finding things that give you that feeling of belonging is important. Sometimes we get stuck on what we need or what the community will look like. For me, it’s about being grounded in the present moment. I want to feel belonging and connection.
**00:24:34** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** What does that feel like? It feels warm and nice. Do things that lead to that feeling of belonging and try to create that in your life. That’s the first step.
**00:25:01** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yes.
**00:25:01** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** It can be different.
**00:25:03** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Writing that down. As I build my community, some people don’t make me feel safe. There’s something that feels repelling, like magnets not attracting. I need to learn to listen to myself when that happens. I used to think I should give them another chance.
**00:25:45** – **LaTonya Wilkins** For example, if I’m at a networking event and feel uncomfortable, I just walk away. Why stay if they make you feel that way?
**00:25:59** – **LaTonya Wilkins** But is that even possible? I think about that a lot. What if we could just walk away? If it’s your team or organization, what do you think about that? Believing that leads to a place of abundance over scarcity. A lot of us think, if I walk away from this networking event, who will I talk to?
**00:26:23** – **LaTonya Wilkins** What’s next? Did I waste my time?
**00:26:27** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yeah.
**00:26:27** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Is this like, what’s next? Did I waste my time?
**00:26:32** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** There are a couple of important points you made. One is learning to listen to yourself. When you feel the magnet repelling or you don’t feel safe, that’s what we’re all touching on. If you’re not tuned in or practiced enough to listen to yourself, then you won’t know. Even if the magnets are pulling together, if you can’t listen, you won’t recognize it.
**00:27:07** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** If you feel scared and unsafe but you’re not listening, that’s how you can really find your compass. Learning to listen gives you your compass towards what feels like good community. The other piece around walking away is challenging. I’ve been playing with that a lot myself. What has worked for me is leaning into trust and abundance. I need to trust that if I follow that compass, it will lead me to the next thing that’s more in alignment. Just listen to the compass, follow it, and trust. Miraculous things happen when you do that, as Michael Singer discusses.
**00:27:57** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** That’s the way to go.
**00:27:59** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yeah, we like that. We like him.
**00:28:04** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Trust yourself helps you learn to listen to your inner compass.
**00:28:11** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I also have the book you told me to read. It’s on my shelf. I’ve started flipping through it, but it was Surrender Experiment. I have that one too. The UntetherED Soul is probably one of the reasons I started my business.
**00:28:36** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Originals by Adam Grant were instrumental. Jonathan loves the Surrender Experiment, which I plan to explore over the holidays.
**00:28:47** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Okay.
**00:28:51** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Let’s get into some exercises. What’s an exercise we could engage in now that others can join us for?
**00:29:07** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Folks, put whatever you’re doing aside. If you’re at the gym or multitasking, you may want to pause this and watch it on YouTube to do this with us. What’s the activity? Let’s do it.
**00:29:23** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yeah.
**00:29:24** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Hmm.
**00:29:24** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Since it’s the end of the year and we’re approaching 2025, I think it could be cool to do a visualization around the new year and what we want to achieve, combined with some somatics. What does this feel like? How does that sound?
**00:29:44** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yeah, let’s do it. This can apply to any new endeavor you want to try but feel afraid to pursue.
**00:29:55** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Okay, let’s do it.
**00:29:57** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** You want to try something that feels right? Something you want to work towards? How much time do we have, Latonya?
**00:30:04** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** How much time should I use for this?
**00:30:06** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Let’s do five minutes.
**00:30:07** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Five minutes?
**00:30:08** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Yes.
**00:30:08** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** All right, so we’ll do five minutes. I invite you all to find a comfortable place to sit down. If you’re walking, you can continue, but try to slow down what you’re doing.
**00:30:30** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This will just be five minutes. Anything I say is an invitation, and you can ignore me if it doesn’t feel right. Let’s close our eyes if you feel comfortable.
**00:30:45** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** If you don’t feel comfortable closing your eyes, look down at your table or the ground with a soft gaze. This will last five minutes, so take a couple of deep breaths to help you settle. Think about your year, next year, or something you want to call in. A good prompt is, how do you want to show up for this thing?
**00:31:32** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Maybe it’s a meeting, a workplace goal, or how you want to interact with colleagues in a certain situation. Picture yourself at this event, seeing the people around you, smelling the smells, and feeling the feelings.
**00:32:15** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Now, focus on your body. This is called interoception. Feel your shoulders, neck, jaw, chest, and stomach. Notice what it feels like to be in this future experience. Identify where you feel the strongest sensations and emotions.
**00:32:36** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Notice the texture or emotion of this experience. Ask yourself, what does my body need in this situation? Without overthinking, see what the answer is. Consider how you can honor this need for your future goal. It might involve self-care, growth, or speaking up more.
**00:34:16** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Picture yourself honoring that need. Visualize yourself doing that thing, whether it’s laying down, going for a walk, or getting more sunshine.
**00:34:33** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** As you honor your need, feel your body again. Notice how your chest, stomach, and shoulders feel. Recognize this as you honoring the intuition and wisdom your body provided.
**00:34:57** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This is you listening to your inner compass. Take three deep breaths to start to close, really sigh it out, and begin to move your body again.
**00:35:29** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Are you moving your neck and shoulders? You can open your eyes if you want. You could write down what that need was and how you’re going to honor it to remember.
**00:35:53** – **LaTonya Wilkins** For those watching on YouTube, I did the whole exercise and hopefully you feel as centered as I do. Can I share my example?
**00:36:09** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yes, please.
**00:36:10** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Others can email us your example if you’d like. We put our contact information in the show notes, and you can also comment on YouTube. For me, I felt like my body needed abundance, to feel that this could happen. Reflection will help me do that.
**00:36:46** – **LaTonya Wilkins** It’s not a quick fix, but it’s an answer.
**00:36:53** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** What do you need to reflect on?
**00:37:03** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I think naming my past successes is important. Reminding myself how great those were and that they worked. I sometimes fall into negativity, which I think we all do.
**00:37:37** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I need to jot down all the things. I’m also taking some space for a yoga retreat, so I have time for that. Feeding my body with good energy is what I need.
**00:38:04** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Totally.
**00:38:05** – **LaTonya Wilkins** That comes from yoga and reflection. Some of yours might be different. Jonathan, do you have an example that comes up for you?
**00:38:16** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Thank you for sharing that. It’s helpful for the listeners. I’ll reflect back what I heard. Your body needed abundance and expansion. To achieve that, you need to reflect on your past successes, write them down, and that will help you feel more abundant and expansive.
**00:38:50** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This tool helps by allowing us to listen to our bodies. I don’t have a specific example right now.
**00:39:02** – **LaTonya Wilkins** That’s okay.
**00:39:04** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** For example, someone in the workshop expressed a desire to feel more loving and caring towards her family. Her body indicated that she could achieve this by taking care of herself and taking breaks. As a mom, I often feel obligated to keep busy during the holidays, but I can be more loving and caring if I take those breaks.
**00:39:32** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** This wisdom from her body shows how we learn to listen and grow.
**00:39:42** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I love that. Understanding what that need is and how to fill it is important.
**00:39:51** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yes.
**00:39:52** – **LaTonya Wilkins** We need to wrap up, but I want to share about the mindfulness videos on your webpage or the audio resources.
**00:40:08** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Audio, yes.
**00:40:10** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Audiocasts. Please tell us about that and other resources related to Somatics, and how we can contact you.
**00:40:18** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** To summarize the practice in one sentence: first, feel your body and notice what’s going on. Ask your body what it needs, then ask yourself how you can meet that need. The two questions are: what do I need right now? How can I meet that need? This will support you on your journey.
**00:40:37** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** On my website, which we will link, jfgcoaching.co, I have recorded guided meditations and visualizations on various topics, including grounding and somatic exercises. These are short, around five to ten minutes, and can be very supportive.
**00:41:17** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I conduct a monthly free online workshop focused on different tools or topics. Recently, I covered GroundING and this month, I focused on Setting Intentions for the Holidays. These workshops are a great way to learn new somatic tools.
**00:41:42** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** We practice live during the call for an hour, and I provide some live coaching as well. This is a way to engage with the experience.
**00:41:51** – **LaTonya Wilkins** That sounds great. How can people find out about these workshops? Is it on your website?
**00:41:59** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Yes, you can visit my website. If you subscribe to my newsletter, you will receive updates directly.
**00:42:05** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I need to subscribe. I’m not sure if I’m on your list.
**00:42:08** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** I will subscribe.
**00:42:10** – **LaTonya Wilkins** People often hesitate to subscribe. I’ve experienced that too. I receive LinkedIn messages from people saying they didn’t know about certain updates.
**00:42:22** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I will subscribe to your newsletter. We won’t spam you, and you can unsubscribe anytime. Please subscribe to Jonathan as well.
**00:42:39** – **LaTonya Wilkins** I hope everyone leaves with at least one tactic to share with their teams. This tool can be beneficial in various situations.
**00:42:53** – **Jonathan Gutierrez** Thank you for having me, LaTonya. This was enjoyable.
**00:42:56** – **LaTonya Wilkins** Thank you, everyone. We’ll see you next time.